senthil
02-11 06:58 PM
count + 1. thanks.
wallpaper hasty generalization fallacy
thomachan72
04-11 09:08 AM
We all have misused the system to the core and now we talk of rights,internal bickering in the community and we all are party to this one way or other.How is it that Indians,coming out from a proud heritage like ours can afford to put up a front like this.Why can't we go back to our roots and take a page or two from our philosophy and work together to stop this internal bickering??With such a forum like IV,a lot more greater good needs to be achieved.This is a sad state of affairs and we are the root cause of the issues..there needs to be no finger to point.
sorry friend... did not really get you. could you clarify a bit? were you saying he should fight for his rights? or that he has commited some mistake himself and shouldn't be fighting at all? Sorry did not really understand what you were trying to put out.
sorry friend... did not really get you. could you clarify a bit? were you saying he should fight for his rights? or that he has commited some mistake himself and shouldn't be fighting at all? Sorry did not really understand what you were trying to put out.
anilsal
01-14 04:43 PM
this topic can really harm the current admin fixes campaign, because the administration can claim that the precedence of visa recapture was done legislatively (as in AC21) and the administration can pass the baton to the legislature.
You know how the legislature has helped us in recent times. Right?
I have been told that this was a one time recapture in 2001 timeframe via AC21.
You know how the legislature has helped us in recent times. Right?
I have been told that this was a one time recapture in 2001 timeframe via AC21.
2011 the logical fallacies
dreamworld
09-11 02:38 PM
http://www.pbls.doleta.gov/pbls_pds.cfm
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vasu009
07-24 11:59 AM
I called USCIS today morning. The CSR was very warm and gentle. Noted down my name , address and other information, and said that he will send an inquiry to California centre (I live in Bay area) to find out about the I-485/765/131 receipt details. Dont know hearing different versions from different Reps.
PD:2004 DEC/EB3/I140 Approved/India.
PD:2004 DEC/EB3/I140 Approved/India.
ras
04-09 09:23 PM
When USCIS has posted on their homepage, I do not understand why people are posting Lawyer website links?
Even after a day USCIS has not posted an update on no of H1b filed...
The attorney has information from AILA which inturn has update from USCIS. So it doesn't matter how you get the information. Check to see if it is prompt and correct.
Even after a day USCIS has not posted an update on no of H1b filed...
The attorney has information from AILA which inturn has update from USCIS. So it doesn't matter how you get the information. Check to see if it is prompt and correct.
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rksaigal
06-17 12:11 AM
This issue was raised during the elections that this kind of intrusion is not permissible in a secular democratic country. The commission was mainly planning to go to Gujarat and write a report. It would have given more credence to the secular mafia in India.
2010 hasty generalization and
stephsh
11-16 03:48 AM
Thank you, I tried this out on a new page and it works perfectly. However when I tried it on my own page it didnt work. I think the error must lie with the rest of the code on my page... I will look further into it.
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rameshvaid
09-12 05:22 PM
Hello Fellow IVians,
FYI - I have 1 year EAD card + AP documents.
I got admission to a business school and want to understand if anyone else got through the process of getting aid in such a status. I applied through FAFSA and the USCIS ( of course ) replied that they couldnt verify that I am an eligible non-citizen.
I have been trying to convince that I am an eligible non-citizen and the University officials have rejected ALL the documents that I have provided one after another.
1. Am I even in the right status to claim eligible non-citizen status ? The idea is to get federal student aid :)
2. Anyone else here got aid under such circumstances ?
3. If not, what other avenues did you pursue to get aid ?
Any/all responses are much appreciated.
-Givemegc
R u on H1/H4 status? If yes you qualify for that with a SS #. You should contact Fasfa directly and they will tell you if you qualify or not. I had to do the same for my son. My son missed a smester due to some visa situations and hence did not qualify for FASFA but you should be ok.. Try talking to them directly.
RV
FYI - I have 1 year EAD card + AP documents.
I got admission to a business school and want to understand if anyone else got through the process of getting aid in such a status. I applied through FAFSA and the USCIS ( of course ) replied that they couldnt verify that I am an eligible non-citizen.
I have been trying to convince that I am an eligible non-citizen and the University officials have rejected ALL the documents that I have provided one after another.
1. Am I even in the right status to claim eligible non-citizen status ? The idea is to get federal student aid :)
2. Anyone else here got aid under such circumstances ?
3. If not, what other avenues did you pursue to get aid ?
Any/all responses are much appreciated.
-Givemegc
R u on H1/H4 status? If yes you qualify for that with a SS #. You should contact Fasfa directly and they will tell you if you qualify or not. I had to do the same for my son. My son missed a smester due to some visa situations and hence did not qualify for FASFA but you should be ok.. Try talking to them directly.
RV
hair Hasty Generalization and YOU.
Libra
06-14 10:09 AM
Guys, I am in Eagan, MN. Can anybody give me some idea for getting vaccine and all. please.
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chanduv23
09-08 02:37 PM
Does this mean that the employer can't withdraw an approved I-140? We filed our 140 and 485 together in July 2007 and got the 140 approval in March '08. And we have EADs now. So can I work for another employer with out fearing that my current employer is going to withdraw AOS?
Thanks
Venkat
The best thing to do is hire your own attorney and change the representation (G28) so that all the communication on your case is now forwarded to the new attorney, In case if 140 is withdrawn later by your old employer, you can then worry about AC21 blah blah.
This is the best legal advice any attorney can give, dont waste money on murthy and rajiv[/QUOTE]
If ex employer withdraws 140 after 180 days of filing 485 - USCIS usually sends a RFE/NOID with 30 days to respond with a same/similar job offer. I have gone through it.
If you respond to it in given timeframe, your revoked 140 is still treated as approved.
Those who file AC21 - you must be ready to respond to a RFE or NOID at any given point of time if your ex employer requests a 140 withdrawal.
Thanks
Venkat
The best thing to do is hire your own attorney and change the representation (G28) so that all the communication on your case is now forwarded to the new attorney, In case if 140 is withdrawn later by your old employer, you can then worry about AC21 blah blah.
This is the best legal advice any attorney can give, dont waste money on murthy and rajiv[/QUOTE]
If ex employer withdraws 140 after 180 days of filing 485 - USCIS usually sends a RFE/NOID with 30 days to respond with a same/similar job offer. I have gone through it.
If you respond to it in given timeframe, your revoked 140 is still treated as approved.
Those who file AC21 - you must be ready to respond to a RFE or NOID at any given point of time if your ex employer requests a 140 withdrawal.
hot a hasty generalization and
kirupa
04-08 02:20 AM
If users want to do that on an individual basis, that would be great :) It'll be similar to the kirupaShirts thing. People can do whatever they want and I can link to it.
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house hasty generalization fallacy.
vladdrac
06-15 10:35 PM
hmm looking back, I like the bottle and the logo is cool, but that background isn't very good
tattoo (Hasty generalization)
ilikekilo
04-30 03:58 PM
http://immigrationvoice.org/wiki/index.php/US_Driver_License#Licensing_Laws_by_States_and_Dis tricts
Added states, I will try to associate any existing IV threads to respective threads if anyone thinks its helpful
Folks, please spend some time to get this Wiki thing going, it will be helpful to all
Added states, I will try to associate any existing IV threads to respective threads if anyone thinks its helpful
Folks, please spend some time to get this Wiki thing going, it will be helpful to all
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pictures hasty generalization fallacy. Hasty-Generalization; Hasty-Generalization
quizzer
02-05 11:58 PM
What I-94 expiry date did you get when you landed a day before ?
u will get the expiry date based on the new petition approval date
u will get the expiry date based on the new petition approval date
dresses hasty generalization fallacy.
BumbleBee
09-13 03:18 PM
Here is an article which talks about all the scenarios you have asked.
http://www.h1base.com/page.asp?id=132
Here is content if the link doesn't work.
*********************************************
If you are 'laid off' or 'benched' while you are on an H1B Visa ...what are your rights and options?
A �benched� employee, is someone who is currently between work projects, and typically refers to someone who is sponsored/employed by a consulting firm/agency who then sub-contracts their services out to an 'end' client.
In the eyes of the law, the consulting firm/agency is considered your employer. The company that you actually provide services to, is the 'end' client.
i.e. it is the consulting firm/agency that petitioned the INS to grant you an H1B Visa.
1) When a foreign national is benched because there is no immediate work available, you are still entitled to receive compensation.
2)The employer is bound to pay the foreign national as attested on the labor condition application. The employer may NOT withhold payment claiming that the employee is not entitled to it because the employee did not work.
3)Should the employer fail to pay the H-1B employee, the employer will be in violation of 'federal regulations' and will have to pay any monies owed in salary.
Also, the employer risks incurring possible penalties for failure to comply with the employer requirements of H-1B sponsorship.
4) When an H-1B employee takes time off from working for personal reasons (e.g. vacation / illness / leave of absence etc), generally, the employer does NOT have to compensate the employee for this temporary period of time.
However, your employer will have to provide compensation if it was contractually agreed OR if they 'normally' do and normally make this available to its employees.
5) Employers are also bound to pay their H-1B employees even when the employer experiences a temporary shut down in its operations.
i.e. If the employer shuts down the company for a period of 10 days during the holiday season, it must continue to pay its H-1B employees during this period, even if the employer is not compensating the U.S. workers.
If you have any issues regarding payment from your employer... You should contact your local Department of Labor (DOL)
As discussed above, employers accept important responsibilities when choosing to sponsor a foreign national on a H-1B. Employers should be careful to be aware of the requirements imposed on them to ensure that they are in compliance. Doing so minimizes potential violations and ensures that the employer can continue participating in the H-1B program.
QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
Can I transfer my H1B to other company?
To transfer your H1B, you need 'valid' employment in US. Also you have to prove that you have recent pay stubs (at least 60 days OLD) and last years w2 forms (if applicable).
If you do NOT have recent pay stubs, then you may need to explain the reasons to the INS. (Unpaid vacation or long sick leave approval letters from your current employer may be considered).
As per law, the petitions which were filed AFTER the last date of employment, are NOT eligible for change of status or change of employment because the applicant is out of status when he/she loses the job. The laid off H1B worker will be considered out of status even though he/she has a valid H1B visa in their passport or valid I-94 card.
There is NO "Grace Period" permitted when an H1B employee changes his employer. The INS is proposing implementation of a rule permitting an H1B employee who no longer works for the original employer for some period of time to file an H1B after leaving the current employer. This time frame could possibly be up to 60 days. Many INS Service Centers are currently applying a 'reasonable period' of time standard, on a case-by-case basis, for favorable adjudication even though there is a gap between leaving an employer and filing a new H1B petition.
How long can I stay here after being laid off?
It is advisable to leave the country as soon as possible to avoid any potential legal issues. You can only be in the US only if you have a 'valid' visa and you are in 'status', or your VISA application with INS is in 'process'.
The grace period is in dispute as to what is a 'reasonable' amount of time, but many say that 10 days grace period may be considered to leave the country after being laid off.
I am still the employee of my company, but without pay, what is my status?
As per law, you should get paid from day one of your US employment.
You should not be in the US without a salary unless you are on unpaid vacation or sick leave. Your status is legal and valid, but if you are NOT able to find another employment quickly, it is advisable to leave the country.
What are the other options?
If you are �likely� to be laid off then you have the following options
1. Find another H1B sponsoring company and file your H1B transfer
2. If you have your spouse with valid status, change your status to dependent status
3. You can change your status to F1. You need UNIV admission and you have to file for change of status application with INS.
4. You can take an unpaid vacation and leave the country. Keep your H1B status valid for your current employer. Once the market is up, you can come with your existing valid VISA and work for the same employer.
I am leaving the US. Can I come back with the same VISA and join another employer?
No, your VISA is valid for the employer who sponsored your VISA. You cannot enter with this VISA and join another employer. (If you have applied for an H1B transfer and got the approval, then you can enter with your OLD VISA and H1B approval of the new employer) At the port of entry, INS may verify your records with your current employer. If they found any issues, they will deport you from the airport itself. Once you are deported, it is very difficult to get any US visa again.
*********************************************
BumbleBee
http://www.h1base.com/page.asp?id=132
Here is content if the link doesn't work.
*********************************************
If you are 'laid off' or 'benched' while you are on an H1B Visa ...what are your rights and options?
A �benched� employee, is someone who is currently between work projects, and typically refers to someone who is sponsored/employed by a consulting firm/agency who then sub-contracts their services out to an 'end' client.
In the eyes of the law, the consulting firm/agency is considered your employer. The company that you actually provide services to, is the 'end' client.
i.e. it is the consulting firm/agency that petitioned the INS to grant you an H1B Visa.
1) When a foreign national is benched because there is no immediate work available, you are still entitled to receive compensation.
2)The employer is bound to pay the foreign national as attested on the labor condition application. The employer may NOT withhold payment claiming that the employee is not entitled to it because the employee did not work.
3)Should the employer fail to pay the H-1B employee, the employer will be in violation of 'federal regulations' and will have to pay any monies owed in salary.
Also, the employer risks incurring possible penalties for failure to comply with the employer requirements of H-1B sponsorship.
4) When an H-1B employee takes time off from working for personal reasons (e.g. vacation / illness / leave of absence etc), generally, the employer does NOT have to compensate the employee for this temporary period of time.
However, your employer will have to provide compensation if it was contractually agreed OR if they 'normally' do and normally make this available to its employees.
5) Employers are also bound to pay their H-1B employees even when the employer experiences a temporary shut down in its operations.
i.e. If the employer shuts down the company for a period of 10 days during the holiday season, it must continue to pay its H-1B employees during this period, even if the employer is not compensating the U.S. workers.
If you have any issues regarding payment from your employer... You should contact your local Department of Labor (DOL)
As discussed above, employers accept important responsibilities when choosing to sponsor a foreign national on a H-1B. Employers should be careful to be aware of the requirements imposed on them to ensure that they are in compliance. Doing so minimizes potential violations and ensures that the employer can continue participating in the H-1B program.
QUESTIONS & ANSWERS
Can I transfer my H1B to other company?
To transfer your H1B, you need 'valid' employment in US. Also you have to prove that you have recent pay stubs (at least 60 days OLD) and last years w2 forms (if applicable).
If you do NOT have recent pay stubs, then you may need to explain the reasons to the INS. (Unpaid vacation or long sick leave approval letters from your current employer may be considered).
As per law, the petitions which were filed AFTER the last date of employment, are NOT eligible for change of status or change of employment because the applicant is out of status when he/she loses the job. The laid off H1B worker will be considered out of status even though he/she has a valid H1B visa in their passport or valid I-94 card.
There is NO "Grace Period" permitted when an H1B employee changes his employer. The INS is proposing implementation of a rule permitting an H1B employee who no longer works for the original employer for some period of time to file an H1B after leaving the current employer. This time frame could possibly be up to 60 days. Many INS Service Centers are currently applying a 'reasonable period' of time standard, on a case-by-case basis, for favorable adjudication even though there is a gap between leaving an employer and filing a new H1B petition.
How long can I stay here after being laid off?
It is advisable to leave the country as soon as possible to avoid any potential legal issues. You can only be in the US only if you have a 'valid' visa and you are in 'status', or your VISA application with INS is in 'process'.
The grace period is in dispute as to what is a 'reasonable' amount of time, but many say that 10 days grace period may be considered to leave the country after being laid off.
I am still the employee of my company, but without pay, what is my status?
As per law, you should get paid from day one of your US employment.
You should not be in the US without a salary unless you are on unpaid vacation or sick leave. Your status is legal and valid, but if you are NOT able to find another employment quickly, it is advisable to leave the country.
What are the other options?
If you are �likely� to be laid off then you have the following options
1. Find another H1B sponsoring company and file your H1B transfer
2. If you have your spouse with valid status, change your status to dependent status
3. You can change your status to F1. You need UNIV admission and you have to file for change of status application with INS.
4. You can take an unpaid vacation and leave the country. Keep your H1B status valid for your current employer. Once the market is up, you can come with your existing valid VISA and work for the same employer.
I am leaving the US. Can I come back with the same VISA and join another employer?
No, your VISA is valid for the employer who sponsored your VISA. You cannot enter with this VISA and join another employer. (If you have applied for an H1B transfer and got the approval, then you can enter with your OLD VISA and H1B approval of the new employer) At the port of entry, INS may verify your records with your current employer. If they found any issues, they will deport you from the airport itself. Once you are deported, it is very difficult to get any US visa again.
*********************************************
BumbleBee
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nivasch
03-23 01:25 PM
2 of 2 DOCUMENTS
Copyright 2006 Chicago Tribune
Chicago Tribune
Distributed by Knight/Ridder Tribune News Service
March 22, 2006 Wednesday
SECTION: STATE AND REGIONAL NEWS
ACC--NO: 20060322--TB--0322--Chasm--Separates--Immigration--Plans
LENGTH: 1523 words
HEADLINE: Chasm separates immigration plans: House, Senate split on more barriers, route to citizenship
BYLINE: Mark Silva, Chicago Tribune
BODY:
Mar. 22----WASHINGTON ---- While many members of Congress appear eager to toughen control of the nation's
borders, a showdown over plans to accommodate millions of undocumented immigrants already settled here illegally
could prevent any reforms from winning approval in this election year.
A bipartisan alliance of senators is advocating a plan that, while tightening enforcement, would also let many of
the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. pay fines for breaking the law, pay taxes, learn English
and----after several years----apply for citizenship. The Senate Judiciary Committee will consider the plan Monday, with an
immigration debate in the full Senate scheduled for later that week.
But should such a plan win approval, it will place the Senate sharply at odds with the more conservative House.
That body already has approved a bill that imposes stricter border control without making allowances for undocumented
immigrants who already have found their way into the U.S. Critics call relief for illegal aliens unwarranted "amnesty" for
willful lawbreakers.
As immigration has grown, a fault line has opened in American politics, with swelling Latino populations creating
a powerful political force in states such as Florida, Texas and California, and creating tensions in the Midwest where
American workers fear the loss of jobs. Both parties are increasingly courting Hispanics.
The immigration debate also has sharply divided the ruling Republican Party, with business--minded Republicans
stressing the reality of a labor force that many employers rely upon, while cultural conservatives insist that any
accommodation of illegal aliens rewards lawbreaking and makes a further mockery of the nation's already weak borders.
When it comes to accommodating illegal aliens, "no matter what you call it, a lot of people on our side don't even
want to debate it," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R--S.C.), who says he is seeking a "fair solution" to the problem. For many
in Congress, he said, "it's a very simple answer to a complex question: 'Send 'em all back."'
Agreement long sought
This internal strife will make it all the more difficult for the House and Senate to agree on an immigration reform bill,
something President Bush has been seeking since his first term.
"This could be a fractious debate," Bush conceded at a White House news conference Tuesday. "And I hope it's not."
In this congressional election year, with the GOP fighting to retain control of Congress and both parties trying to
impress voters with their resolve on security, the deadlock could mean nothing passes.
The Bush administration is calling for a "comprehensive" bill that encompasses border security as well as some
provision for "temporary workers" in the U.S. A bill that addresses only border security, or a failure to win any bill at all,
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could represent yet another setback for the president's domestic agenda. Many analysts believe that no bill is the most
likely outcome.
"Given the president's approval rating these days, and with one--third of the Senate up for re--election this year, they are
not going to follow the president off the cliff on this one," said Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American
Immigration Reform, which opposes what it calls amnesty for the undocumented.
"If the Senate does go ahead and pass something that looks like amnesty, they will never get this passed in the House,"
Mehlman said.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R--Tenn.), who harbors presidential ambitions, has made it clear he will push a
straight border protection bill if senators can't agree on another plan. But Senate Democrats vow to oppose an enforcement--
only bill, with Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D--Ill.) arguing that immigration has been "haphazard" for decades and that
making criminals of millions of people serves no purpose.
Frist has pressured the Senate Judiciary Committee to produce a bill, saying that if they can't, he will take his own
plan to a Senate vote the final week of March. Hoping to avert what one senator calls a "donnybrook" on the Senate floor,
Frist's pressure has prompted the divided committee to take another stab at an agreement when senators return from recess
Monday.
Some Republicans are chafing at Frist's pressure. Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R--Pa.) is working
hard to craft a compromise, based on a plan by Sens. Edward Kennedy (D--Mass.) and John McCain (R--Ariz.), that would
allow those illegally in the U.S. to seek citizenship eventually.
The undocumented could pay a $1,000 fine, pay taxes, undergo criminal background checks and then, after six years,
apply for legal residency. After more background checks and demonstrating they are learning English, they could apply
for citizenship.
Opponents call this an affront to law--abiding Americans.
"It depends on how much you want to alienate the American people," said Rep. Lamar Smith (R--Texas). "The
administration is on the wrong side of public opinion and the American people when it comes to amnesty, when it comes
to increasing immigration and when it comes to bringing in cheap foreign labor to compete with American workers and
legal immigrants."
Since Bush started a renewed push for immigration reform in January 2004, the former Texas governor, who has a
firsthand understanding of border issues, has insisted that the U.S. should be able to match "willing workers" with "willing
employers."
"We see millions of hardworking men and women condemned to fear and insecurity in a massive, undocumented
economy," Bush said then, proposing a new legal status for millions of undocumented immigrants enabling them to work
several years in the U.S. and then return home. He has insisted that this is not amnesty.
But Bush has invested little time in pushing an immigration bill and he has not threatened to veto an enforcement--only
bill. "We're going to continue working to hopefully get a comprehensive piece of legislation," White House spokesman
Scott McClellan said. "It begins with a need to strengthen our borders but it also includes a temporary--worker program."
Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, a pro--immigrant organization, complained that
the White House has "become almost a non--factor" in the debate. Bush "could be a factor," Sharry said. "He's got the
bully pulpit, he understands the issue. But when all you say is vague generalities that try to please everyone, all you end
up with is mush."
Many experts call Bush's idea of requiring temporary workers to return home after several years unworkable. If the
law allows undocumented workers to remain here, advocates say, they should ultimately have a chance to become citizens.
"The problem is, if we only have a temporary--worker program, we create another problem coming down the pike,"
said Deborah Notkin, a New York--based attorney and president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. "You
have planted families here. Asking families to go home? It's not realistic."
Businesses like Kennedy plan
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and powerful agricultural interests are backing the Kennedy--McCain plan. "There
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are situations where employers cannot find American workers to fill jobs," said Randy Johnson, the chamber's vice
president for labor.
Many lawmakers fear voting for a bill that would allow illegal aliens to remain, Johnson said. "There is still this fear
of voting for something that gives legal status even after you earn it----that it's going to be called 'amnesty,"' Johnson says.
When Judiciary Committee members return after a weeklong Senate recess, Frist's threat to offer a House--like border--
protection bill has given senators new incentive to reach a compromise.
"I have always wanted to put people on the citizenship path, so long as this doesn't put them ahead of other people in
line," Specter said. "I am willing to put them at the end of the line."
-- -- --
Proposals at cross--purposes
The Bush plan: Tighter border protections would be coupled with a "guest--worker" program, in which foreigners
could apply for temporary legal status to accept U.S. jobs. Such workers would be required to return to their homelands
after a certain time.
The Kennedy--McCain plan: While improving border security, the U.S. would give illegal immigrants a path to legal
status if they paid taxes and a $1,000 fine and underwent criminal background checks. After six years, they could apply
for legal residency by paying another $1,000 fine and fulfilling other requirements. They could apply for citizenship if
they passed more background checks and proved they were learning English.
The House--passed plan: Border enforcement would be toughened by such measures as the building of a fence along
parts of the U.S.--Mexico border. Employers would be required to verify the legal status of their workers. There is no
provision for "guest--worker" status or any form of amnesty.
mdsilva@tribune.com
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March 22, 2006 Wednesday
SECTION: STATE AND REGIONAL NEWS
ACC--NO: 20060322--TB--0322--Chasm--Separates--Immigration--Plans
LENGTH: 1523 words
HEADLINE: Chasm separates immigration plans: House, Senate split on more barriers, route to citizenship
BYLINE: Mark Silva, Chicago Tribune
BODY:
Mar. 22----WASHINGTON ---- While many members of Congress appear eager to toughen control of the nation's
borders, a showdown over plans to accommodate millions of undocumented immigrants already settled here illegally
could prevent any reforms from winning approval in this election year.
A bipartisan alliance of senators is advocating a plan that, while tightening enforcement, would also let many of
the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. pay fines for breaking the law, pay taxes, learn English
and----after several years----apply for citizenship. The Senate Judiciary Committee will consider the plan Monday, with an
immigration debate in the full Senate scheduled for later that week.
But should such a plan win approval, it will place the Senate sharply at odds with the more conservative House.
That body already has approved a bill that imposes stricter border control without making allowances for undocumented
immigrants who already have found their way into the U.S. Critics call relief for illegal aliens unwarranted "amnesty" for
willful lawbreakers.
As immigration has grown, a fault line has opened in American politics, with swelling Latino populations creating
a powerful political force in states such as Florida, Texas and California, and creating tensions in the Midwest where
American workers fear the loss of jobs. Both parties are increasingly courting Hispanics.
The immigration debate also has sharply divided the ruling Republican Party, with business--minded Republicans
stressing the reality of a labor force that many employers rely upon, while cultural conservatives insist that any
accommodation of illegal aliens rewards lawbreaking and makes a further mockery of the nation's already weak borders.
When it comes to accommodating illegal aliens, "no matter what you call it, a lot of people on our side don't even
want to debate it," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R--S.C.), who says he is seeking a "fair solution" to the problem. For many
in Congress, he said, "it's a very simple answer to a complex question: 'Send 'em all back."'
Agreement long sought
This internal strife will make it all the more difficult for the House and Senate to agree on an immigration reform bill,
something President Bush has been seeking since his first term.
"This could be a fractious debate," Bush conceded at a White House news conference Tuesday. "And I hope it's not."
In this congressional election year, with the GOP fighting to retain control of Congress and both parties trying to
impress voters with their resolve on security, the deadlock could mean nothing passes.
The Bush administration is calling for a "comprehensive" bill that encompasses border security as well as some
provision for "temporary workers" in the U.S. A bill that addresses only border security, or a failure to win any bill at all,
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could represent yet another setback for the president's domestic agenda. Many analysts believe that no bill is the most
likely outcome.
"Given the president's approval rating these days, and with one--third of the Senate up for re--election this year, they are
not going to follow the president off the cliff on this one," said Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American
Immigration Reform, which opposes what it calls amnesty for the undocumented.
"If the Senate does go ahead and pass something that looks like amnesty, they will never get this passed in the House,"
Mehlman said.
Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R--Tenn.), who harbors presidential ambitions, has made it clear he will push a
straight border protection bill if senators can't agree on another plan. But Senate Democrats vow to oppose an enforcement--
only bill, with Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D--Ill.) arguing that immigration has been "haphazard" for decades and that
making criminals of millions of people serves no purpose.
Frist has pressured the Senate Judiciary Committee to produce a bill, saying that if they can't, he will take his own
plan to a Senate vote the final week of March. Hoping to avert what one senator calls a "donnybrook" on the Senate floor,
Frist's pressure has prompted the divided committee to take another stab at an agreement when senators return from recess
Monday.
Some Republicans are chafing at Frist's pressure. Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter (R--Pa.) is working
hard to craft a compromise, based on a plan by Sens. Edward Kennedy (D--Mass.) and John McCain (R--Ariz.), that would
allow those illegally in the U.S. to seek citizenship eventually.
The undocumented could pay a $1,000 fine, pay taxes, undergo criminal background checks and then, after six years,
apply for legal residency. After more background checks and demonstrating they are learning English, they could apply
for citizenship.
Opponents call this an affront to law--abiding Americans.
"It depends on how much you want to alienate the American people," said Rep. Lamar Smith (R--Texas). "The
administration is on the wrong side of public opinion and the American people when it comes to amnesty, when it comes
to increasing immigration and when it comes to bringing in cheap foreign labor to compete with American workers and
legal immigrants."
Since Bush started a renewed push for immigration reform in January 2004, the former Texas governor, who has a
firsthand understanding of border issues, has insisted that the U.S. should be able to match "willing workers" with "willing
employers."
"We see millions of hardworking men and women condemned to fear and insecurity in a massive, undocumented
economy," Bush said then, proposing a new legal status for millions of undocumented immigrants enabling them to work
several years in the U.S. and then return home. He has insisted that this is not amnesty.
But Bush has invested little time in pushing an immigration bill and he has not threatened to veto an enforcement--only
bill. "We're going to continue working to hopefully get a comprehensive piece of legislation," White House spokesman
Scott McClellan said. "It begins with a need to strengthen our borders but it also includes a temporary--worker program."
Frank Sharry, executive director of the National Immigration Forum, a pro--immigrant organization, complained that
the White House has "become almost a non--factor" in the debate. Bush "could be a factor," Sharry said. "He's got the
bully pulpit, he understands the issue. But when all you say is vague generalities that try to please everyone, all you end
up with is mush."
Many experts call Bush's idea of requiring temporary workers to return home after several years unworkable. If the
law allows undocumented workers to remain here, advocates say, they should ultimately have a chance to become citizens.
"The problem is, if we only have a temporary--worker program, we create another problem coming down the pike,"
said Deborah Notkin, a New York--based attorney and president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association. "You
have planted families here. Asking families to go home? It's not realistic."
Businesses like Kennedy plan
The U.S. Chamber of Commerce and powerful agricultural interests are backing the Kennedy--McCain plan. "There
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are situations where employers cannot find American workers to fill jobs," said Randy Johnson, the chamber's vice
president for labor.
Many lawmakers fear voting for a bill that would allow illegal aliens to remain, Johnson said. "There is still this fear
of voting for something that gives legal status even after you earn it----that it's going to be called 'amnesty,"' Johnson says.
When Judiciary Committee members return after a weeklong Senate recess, Frist's threat to offer a House--like border--
protection bill has given senators new incentive to reach a compromise.
"I have always wanted to put people on the citizenship path, so long as this doesn't put them ahead of other people in
line," Specter said. "I am willing to put them at the end of the line."
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Proposals at cross--purposes
The Bush plan: Tighter border protections would be coupled with a "guest--worker" program, in which foreigners
could apply for temporary legal status to accept U.S. jobs. Such workers would be required to return to their homelands
after a certain time.
The Kennedy--McCain plan: While improving border security, the U.S. would give illegal immigrants a path to legal
status if they paid taxes and a $1,000 fine and underwent criminal background checks. After six years, they could apply
for legal residency by paying another $1,000 fine and fulfilling other requirements. They could apply for citizenship if
they passed more background checks and proved they were learning English.
The House--passed plan: Border enforcement would be toughened by such measures as the building of a fence along
parts of the U.S.--Mexico border. Employers would be required to verify the legal status of their workers. There is no
provision for "guest--worker" status or any form of amnesty.
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browngranite
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07-18 02:55 PM
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